Listen to a live podcast panel entitled: "Without the Drugs: Modalities for Hacking Consciousness" brought to you by The Third Wave. 

Dr. David Rabin, Daniel Cortez, and Brooke Deputy join Paul Austin for a far-ranging conversation about the utility of non-ordinary states in healing and transformation.

Learn about the Thank You Plant Medicine movement from the two co-founders David Grillot and Jonathan Glazer.

Geoff Hanzlik joins Paul Austin for an insightful conversation about ayahuasca, masculinity, and the necessity of emotional regulation for mature and developed leadership.

Tune into this episode to hear Geoff discuss his experience as an ayahuasca facilitator for the Santo Daime church, why he abruptly stopped hosting ceremonies, and what he has learned about emotional regulation from plant medicine.